tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post4891643314955968410..comments2024-03-11T10:22:24.331+11:00Comments on MaxDefense Philippines: Clarifications on the Rumored Submarines for the PH, and a Proposal to Jump-start the Philippine Navy's Submarine Programmax monterohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217644456257635987noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-41198331455701678382019-03-27T18:08:02.225+11:002019-03-27T18:08:02.225+11:00Do you have any idea how much a nuclear sub would ...Do you have any idea how much a nuclear sub would cost the Government? In the first place, only a few counthttps://maxdefense.blogspot.com/logout?d=https://www.blogger.com/logout-redirect.g?blogID%3D3838050795464426329%26postID%3D4891643314955968410ries make nuclear subs and second, they don't sell them.Atenistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12404066075438917224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-18649403963571856532015-10-30T12:58:34.157+11:002015-10-30T12:58:34.157+11:00wake up dude!wake up dude!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-27897563990300350682015-10-16T17:47:58.345+11:002015-10-16T17:47:58.345+11:00The corvettes are needed more right now, if based ...The corvettes are needed more right now, if based on that choices you gave. max monterohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217644456257635987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-54369595225907392392015-10-12T00:46:15.935+11:002015-10-12T00:46:15.935+11:00Sir Max,
If ever the PN could provide a budget, wh...Sir Max,<br />If ever the PN could provide a budget, what do you think they should prioritize...<br /><br />ASW corvettes (maybe 6 units of 700-ton class or something with same worth) worth 1 billion dollars<br /><br />or<br /><br />submarines worth 1 billion dollars?<br /><br />In my opinion, I would go for the corvettes due to inexperience and area it could cover.Garret25https://www.blogger.com/profile/10581854405721147923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-12081406763709363512015-09-28T17:09:37.012+10:002015-09-28T17:09:37.012+10:00MaxDefense is right that at this stage even acqui...MaxDefense is right that at this stage even acquiring littoral submarines would be too early and out of the budget for Horizon 1 without affecting other much needed equipments . IMHO the navy need to establish their ASW group before acquiring submarines . Their support and logistics bases has to be establish not to mention training for qualified personnel. Let's face it the PN after the closure of the US Subic Naval base are left with a staggering WW2 equipments and 20th century " gun boats " . Now even with the modernization program there was a big gap left and a lot catching time to achieve the Desired force mix 2020 . Well at this point if even if they aim high and only achieve 50 to 75 % of their target , it will still be a great achievement on their part. Oplan Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10295871718347251186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-78984182917131140422015-09-28T13:11:16.955+10:002015-09-28T13:11:16.955+10:00I think the submarine purchase is true. It will ju...I think the submarine purchase is true. It will just take a couple of years like maybe 2 years from now. probably 1 for the start with the other 2 coming later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-80297911736479380852015-09-27T12:49:19.097+10:002015-09-27T12:49:19.097+10:00the problem is most of our leaders especially the ...the problem is most of our leaders especially the politikos ay nang hihinayan sa pag gastos na Malaki like the frigrates and MRFs and MBTs, lol. instead they prefer to buy more helmets. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-87632169249226969942015-09-25T16:33:27.589+10:002015-09-25T16:33:27.589+10:00Hello Max, first time writing a comment on your bl...Hello Max, first time writing a comment on your blog. I should admit that, your blog is one of the best credible source of news out of AFP.<br /><br />BTW, what Kim is telling you is partially wrong. It is right that KSS-500A is a paper plan; paper plan from Korean ADD(Agency for Defense Development) with rosy dreams and hopes.<br /><br />But as you can also see, these SSMs are not to be assigned for ASuW or what those other SSKs are assigned in RoKN. This sub is specialized for supporting/conducting SPECOPS in neighboring countries. There are also some infos (not verified) which are even saying these SSMs are going to be operated by DIC (Defense Intelligence Command) not the RoKN.<br /><br />Back to the design of the KSS-500A, there were changes in plan. As you can see, KSS-500A is full of advanced technological feature which of those that will eventually higher the price big-time.<br /><br />Therefore, RoKN has turned around and came back into the reality where tri-service of RoK is shouting out "Insufficient Fund!"<br /><br />http://panzercho.egloos.com/11090299<br />https://milidom.net/freeboard/123808<br />http://doorstep10.egloos.com/3897781<br /><br />You will be able to see how the SSM design has changed. Thus, this sub has quite of a high security level as it is related to SPECOPS operations.되너케밥https://www.blogger.com/profile/12442807518457908635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-57494952533540090852015-09-25T16:13:34.032+10:002015-09-25T16:13:34.032+10:00Mister Anonymous, or simply XXX, I have to correct...Mister Anonymous, or simply XXX, I have to correct that your perception about KSS-500A is wrong. I hope you have read closely into whats written on the KSS-500A which is on the 'Conclusion' paragraph.<br /><br />First of all, 21 days endurance and 2000 NM range is enough to defend the Filipino eez. Also it is not mentioned in the brochure(?) but this SSM is also powered by hybrid-AIP(fuel-cell and a closed-circuit diesel engine)<br /><br />It is true that this SSM with similar displacement has shorter range compared to that of type 206, though KSS-500A is specially designed to support SPECOPS not an ASuW.<br /><br />Also it has much bigger bow SONAR and FAS.<br /><br />Though, I am quite sure about that this SSM will be too expensive for PN to buy and operate it. Fuel cell already cost bog money for infrastructures like hydrogen storage tank and refueler.되너케밥https://www.blogger.com/profile/12442807518457908635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-26047982389509114132015-09-25T12:46:28.453+10:002015-09-25T12:46:28.453+10:00Hi XXX, the funding for the AFP Modernization is s...Hi XXX, the funding for the AFP Modernization is separate from the annual AFP budget allocated for salaries, upkeeps, maintenance, operations, and day to day expenses of the military. For 2016, the AFP Modernization budget is Php 35 billion, while the annual budget is around Php 115 billion. There's another Php 45 billion that the defense department handles for pensions and benefits of retireees, and some more for the department's own annual expenses.<br /><br />The Philippine Army has no conscription, its all professional backed by a ready reserve force, plus a pool of reservist with very basic understanding of military ops. The force is too small, considering that it has 100 million population. And worst part is, most of the Army is held as a territorial force, not much of a maneuver force, which is still being planned. But being an archipelagic country, the AFP must give more emphasis on the navy and marines.<br /><br />max monterohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217644456257635987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-54248180590442878152015-09-24T08:45:37.210+10:002015-09-24T08:45:37.210+10:00The Philippines really need to manage and increase...The Philippines really need to manage and increase real funding for the forces. It won't be easy or popular but there's no other way out of the hole. Right now the budget is at such a low that any major crisis threatens to wipe out any actual funding. Increasing it - even on paper - gives some room for maneuvering. But my personal take on the issue is - and correct me if I am wrong in here - that a significant portion of the funding would still go for salaries, pensions, maintenance cost.<br /><br />I have the impression that the Philippines maintain a professional army - which is in my opinion a major error but perhaps dictated by politics of the country (politics tends to be the worst of advisers). Another issue is the sheer size of the land forces. 80-100k is by no means large for a 100m nation but definitely too large for a professional force to be kept at a decent readiness. A good step forward - if bold and politically questionable - would be to move towards a militia-type army (like in Switzerland) which would allow to mobilize large numbers of people in preparation for conflict but which wold have much lower peacetime cost.<br /><br />The saved funding should go towards more efficient modernization of the branches which really can make a difference even if small. In the case of the Philippines those are the navy and the air force - which btw I would combine together so that air-naval branch would be a comprehensive professional military (with expanded marine corps) while the army would be a mobilized defence force aided by the "total defence" doctrine.<br /><br />But that's an economist's view. The generals pretty much would have a different opinion.<br /><br />XXX<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-16216167779921893692015-09-23T19:26:46.245+10:002015-09-23T19:26:46.245+10:00Hi Max. It's already been about 2 years (or ma...Hi Max. It's already been about 2 years (or maybe longer?) since the 2 new frigates acquisition has been initiated, and until now seems there hasn't been any further positive developments on this. Have you heard about anything on this acquisition lately ? Also, there's always been news about corruption with regards to these acquisitions since there is huge capital involved. Is this really an existing / rampant problem now ? Will a G2G type of deal resolve such ? Thanks - KevAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-917163673843620082015-09-22T21:29:36.549+10:002015-09-22T21:29:36.549+10:00We are still dreaming .. But our neighbor .. Indon...We are still dreaming .. But our neighbor .. Indonesia .. will operate 2 type of submarines soon .. DSME 209/1400 tons from South Korea (6 units) and Kilo Class from Russia (5 units) ...<br /><br />They have also built a new facility at PT PAL ... Their new facility wil bel completed in 2016 will enable Indonesia to build at least nine more submarines for its own navy, and later also for future export customers. For example, PT PAL is now building two Strategic Sealift Vessels (essentilly Landing Platform Docks) for the Philippine Navy based on the design that was originally built for the Indonesian Navy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-35531516190394907102015-09-22T18:00:13.225+10:002015-09-22T18:00:13.225+10:00Stage 1 was mostly based on how much budget is ava...Stage 1 was mostly based on how much budget is available at hand, and was revised dozens of times until it was approved in its current state. Everyone wants a piece of the pie and that was difficult to do with a budget of only US$2 billion considering that everyone has gaps in their capabilities.<br /><br />Before the Thais chose the S26T submarine from China, the closest it got was acquiring 6 former German U206s, I think this came out 2 or 3 years ago.<br /><br />Scarborough Shoal is within the EEZ....and from Subic Bay it could be a few days away.max monterohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217644456257635987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-63541598422887285302015-09-22T17:54:19.578+10:002015-09-22T17:54:19.578+10:00Its not really submarines but torpedo boats.Its not really submarines but torpedo boats.max monterohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217644456257635987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-10732106276511135342015-09-22T17:52:57.945+10:002015-09-22T17:52:57.945+10:00You can send a PM on my FB page, you can see the p...You can send a PM on my FB page, you can see the page link on the top right most portion of this page.max monterohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217644456257635987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-83770160084618015572015-09-21T07:14:40.746+10:002015-09-21T07:14:40.746+10:00I think that the fact that stages 2 and 3 are &quo...I think that the fact that stages 2 and 3 are "just paper" are not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is the fact that stage 1 wasn't an exhaustive comprehensive study of needs and threats and an exploration of options along with projected budgets for the whole 2015-2035 period for example. I don't mean total amounts but actual attempts at estimating specific programmes and their timescales and projected cost.<br /><br />Without it the next two stages are as much walking blind as before stage 1 and the PN might to their dismay learn the hard way how difficult and problematic acquisition and introduction of new technologies and capabilities can sometimes be.<br /><br />The fact that all of that hangs on future lobbying just shows how much the whole modernization is still lines in the sand.<br /><br />I didn't know that Thailand was thinking of the 206s but perhaps it was much earlier, around the time Germany was selling two to Colombia (IIRC). <br /><br />As for the Dologaraes I think it's a good choice - especially in the context of potential acquisitions of frigates (and other craft) from Korea. It'd have the added benefit of allowing to train special forces conveniently and at this point is not that old - just 25 years. With good maintenance it could work the other 25...<br /><br />I am not sure it would be good just for training but I couldn't find data on range. Certainly some poking around Scarborough Shoal would be very useful especially that whatever China is building there will be military installations right in the middle of Philippine EEZ. Sooner or later this will have to be resolved through military action and having good practice in covering the area with submarines is essential. This is the sort of practice that takes time.<br /><br />By the way - not building something there was probably the single greatest blunder PN made in recent years. Unlike in the south where there are numerous shoals and reefs and the distance from China is larger the Scarborough reef is a critical point mid-way from Parcel islands/Hainan to Luzon. How the PN hasn't got an artificial island in place there before China is beyond me.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-88490512842091891532015-09-21T04:39:54.930+10:002015-09-21T04:39:54.930+10:00Great read! Really sorts all the misinformation on...Great read! Really sorts all the misinformation on the issues.<br /><br />Is there a way of contacting you privately? <br /><br />Regards,<br />FredrikAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442782429214544756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-59273101935182333562015-09-21T04:39:01.958+10:002015-09-21T04:39:01.958+10:00Great read! really sorts all the misinformation.
...Great read! really sorts all the misinformation.<br /><br />Is there a way to talk to you privately Mr. Max? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442782429214544756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-31910993288446991502015-09-20T20:25:56.878+10:002015-09-20T20:25:56.878+10:00Sir max tanong ko lang, kung ngayon ba tayo mag tr...Sir max tanong ko lang, kung ngayon ba tayo mag training ng sub crews eh wast of time ba yun?thirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00424354572979616184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-41210269158194245882015-09-20T18:12:22.008+10:002015-09-20T18:12:22.008+10:00I wonder if majority of the people in the Philippi...I wonder if majority of the people in the Philippines suddenly request for stronger military, will the politicos will change their propaganda?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-86003643365322102302015-09-20T13:52:53.848+10:002015-09-20T13:52:53.848+10:00Because that is a separate program which is contin...Because that is a separate program which is continued in the Horizon 2 project. If you notice, new subs are in the Horizon 3 phase as indicated in the Navy's plan and mentioned in the blog entry. max monterohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217644456257635987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-82965354587075379692015-09-20T05:54:32.284+10:002015-09-20T05:54:32.284+10:00KSS-500A is a paper plan.
The plan was canceled.
K...KSS-500A is a paper plan.<br />The plan was canceled.<br />KSS-500A is built against a North Korean submarine.<br />The budget will be put to the KSS-III batch1, batch2.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13787943036705338743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-88955757712048424462015-09-19T13:47:55.184+10:002015-09-19T13:47:55.184+10:00why would they even bother for submarine when we e...why would they even bother for submarine when we even dont have enough water surface vessels? shouldn't they complete first the other plans in the desired force mix like 6 frigates and 12 corvetes as planned? just saying..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3838050795464426329.post-5411208890411801952015-09-19T11:25:54.687+10:002015-09-19T11:25:54.687+10:00Simply put, we need to learn to crawl first before...Simply put, we need to learn to crawl first before we can run. Our armed forces are back to square one. Before SoKor and Israel and even China started manufacturing their own military hardware, they relied on importation for their military needs first. Some were 2nd hand equipment as well. What we're seeing now is a good start. The only issue that I have is that the next President would shut down these modernization programs as this has been happening from one regime to the next. If that happens, then everything that's happening right now would just go down the drain.<br /><br />-KSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com