Saturday, February 1, 2014

142 M113A2 Armored Vehicles Arriving for the Philippine Army

After several months of non-disclosure to the public, the Philippine Army (PA) finally announced its plans on the procurement of several armored vehicles to beef up its mechanized assets and improvement in capabilities as part of the AFP Modernization Program.


Philippine Army M113s, including one of the fire support vehicle versions on the right.
Photo taken from Istorya.net

Several news reports took on the DND's recent announcements with different interpretations, not only because of the media's lack of understanding of military terms, but also on the DND's lack of precise information regarding the projects because of unknown circumstances. There were not much information except for the the following: that there will be 28 "new" armored vehicles to be "procured" from Israel, with a budget of around Php 800+ million, and for delivery by 2015 without any specific mention of what model of armored vehicles. Another set of reports indicated that 14 M113s of the Philippine Army will receive modernized 76mm turrets from decommissioned Scorpion "tanks".

For MaxDefense reader's further understanding and clarification, let us disect the entire program.

All these talk of incoming armored vehicles involve the US-made M113A2 armored personnel carriers from US Army excess stocks. There are actually 2 batches of M113A2-based armored vehicles that will arrive for the Philippine Army, which were not properly discussed by media reports before as the DND kept it under wraps until recently. Despite being old and used assets, these M113A2 vehicles would greatly boost the PA's armor capabilities and increase the number of assets, as the PA only have less than 100 of the older M113A1 in its inventory left since the PA acquired them starting in the late 1960s. The last time the PA received such large number of armored assets was during the early 90s when the Simba 4x4 armored vehicle was introduced. The following are the breakdown of the M113A2 vehicles to be delivered for the PA:


Philippine Army officers inspecting the M113A2s intended for delivery to the PA.
Photo taken from Mechanized Infantry Division website.


An initial batch of 114 M113A2 armored personnel carriers, which were approved by the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) in 2012 as grants to the Philippine Army, are expected to arrive this 2014, and all are expected to be completely delivered before the end of the year. The earliest public announcement on this project was made at around 3rd quarter of last year, and was even posted early on the MaxDefense @ Facebook page. They were actually expected by the PA to be delivered starting on the 4th quarter of 2013 but met delays that pushed the delivery back for several months.


M113A2, similar to those above, would be provided to the Philippine Army under the US DSCA grant.
Photo taken from Army Recognition website.


These will all be coming from the US Army stocks, and are not yet confirmed if all will be in standard APC variant, as well as what equipment are included in the transfer, including its weapons and protection fit. The vehicles are expected to be refurbished before delivery, and will fill the bulk of the requirements for tracked mechanized assets of the army's newly-reformed Mechanized Infantry Division, previously known as the Light Armor Division. 


Aside from standard M113s, the PA also uses the ACV-300, a Turkish derivative of the US vehicle.
Photo taken from IPMS Philippines website.


In 2013, another batch of 28 M113A2 armored vehicles was approved for grant to the Philippine Army by the US DSCA, and was decided by the Philippine Army and DND high command to be upgraded with better weapons and situation awareness systems as an improvement to the earlier batch. A contract was signed a several weeks ago with Elbit Systems of Israel to undertake the upgrade program, which include the uparming of several units with the following breakdown:

- 14 units to fire support vehicles (FSV) armed with L23A1 76mm gun taken from decommissioned Philippine Army FV101 Scorpion CRVTs. These turrets will be upgraded by Elbit Systems to include installation of  a new fire control and thermal imaging system, and the guns itself would be refurbished. Due to this modification, MaxDefense expects the vehicles to carry less troops as it needs to provide space for the turret operator and ammunition storage.


The concept of a 76mm gun from the Scorpion CRVT is not really new, with the PA already having a couple of units modified in-house. The only difference now is that the 14 units will be using upgraded turrets, and the armored vehicles themselves are upgraded as well.
Photo taken from Timawa.net

- 4 units will be installed with a 25mm auto cannon mounted on a remote weapons station (RWS) supplied by Elbit Systems. No specifics on the model of gun to be used, but it's worth noting that the Philippine Army uses the Oerlikon KBA 25mm for the older AIFVs purchased in the 1970s, and the M242 Bushmaster 25mm on some Simba IFV versions. It may have a limited number of mounted troops it can carry but not as less than its FSV variant. MaxDefense believes that Elbit may use the RWS-H system and M242 Bushmaster 25mm gun which are already in service.


Elbit Systems may use their RWS-H system for the PA's requirements, and will be using a proven 25mm gun, possibly the M242 Bushmaster already in use on some PA Simba IFVs.
Photo taken from Elbit Systems USA product brochure of the RWS-H.


- 6 units will be installed with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun mounted on a RWS also supplied by Elbit Systems. These would probably be APCs capable of carrying the same number of mounted troops as a standard M113. MaxDefense believes Elbit Systems will make use of the RWS-M system with a M2HB 12.7mm machine gun.


Elbit Systems may also use the RWS-M for the APC variant of the upgraded M113A2, coupled with the already proven and in-service M2HB heavy machine gun.
Photo taken from Elbit Systems USA product brochure for RWS-M.

- 4 units will be converted by Elbit Systems to armored recovery vehicles, which will assist the other upgraded M113A2s. 
The PA will also get 4 M113s converted to armored recovery vehicles similar to the one above.

It is expected that Elbit System's subsidiary, Elbit Systems of America Land and C4I will do the said upgrades, as the armored vehicles are all stored in the mainland United States. All in all, 142 M113A2s are expected to arrive in different variants, and this was confirmed by a recent article from the PA's Mechanized Infantry Division's website.

For those expecting Israeli armored vehicles like the heavyweight Namer that the Israel Defense Forces are using, sorry to burst your bubbles. Looking at the budget alone, it is already obvious that these are not the vehicles the PA is expecting. There were a lot of people who thought this was what the PA will be getting from Israel, so sorry to burst your expectations but practicality alone can easily tell that Namers are not possible for now.


Sorry, no Namers for the Philippine Army.
Photo taken from Wikimedia.


Although MaxDefense is still confirming, it is expected that the DND and Philippine Army will be using the budget for the upgrades of 28 M113A2 to FSV, IFV and ARV versions, and delivery of all 142 refurbished APCs from the allocated budget to purchase 14 new tracked armored personnel carriers, which may not happen anymore due to decision changes. Originally budgeted at around Php 880 million, the Mechanized Infantry Division leadership saw that 14 new APCs won't really make a big difference to the MID's capability.  It would be better to make use of the budget to purchase a fleet of used but still effective armored vehicles to fill in the gaps in the organization requirements and improve the unit's capability. MaxDefense see this as a wise decision considering the small budget allocated for the improvement of the Mechanized Infantry.

Aside from these deliveries, it is expected that the PA will undertake a refurbishing and upgrade program for its current M113A1 fleet, and probably other MID assets like the AIFV and remaining Scorpion CRVT as well. 


The PA has around 50 FMC AIFV in its arsenal, and may need refurbishment soon due to age and wear & tear issues.

With more armored assets in its inventory, the Mechanized Infantry Division will indeed be a true division-sized organization with enough assets to meet its requirements, and will enable the distribution of its wheeled armored assets to fill other requirements including assignment to independent cavalry squadrons attached to the individual Infantry Divisions of the PA. 

It would be interesting to see if the PA still has several armored asset procurement projects soon, as there were previous announcements of improving its air defense capability to defend armored assets, as well as improving firepower by procuring heavier weapons systems like tanks and self-propelled artillery systems. MaxDefense will provide the updates to everyone once these plans come to priority within the DND and PA procurement boards.


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April 7, 2015:
A new MaxDefense blog post regarding the 2 separate projects of acquiring 114 surplus M113A2 APCfrom the US via EDA, and acquiring 28 refurbished upgraded M113A2+ IFVs from Israel was made available last April 6, 2015. It answers all the questions pertaining the project and debunking erroneous information released by media reports by Erwin Tulfo.

The link to the page is here:

"Questions Answered on Erroneous Reports on the Acquisition of M113 APC from the US and Israel for the Philippine Army"

79 comments:

  1. This will greatly help anti insurgency ops. Just equip them with night fighting equipment and laser targeting systems then less soldiers will need to die. Now the question is logistics. Getting them in the right place at the right time. A c-17 or a hovercraft transport would also help. They can also be used for HADR functions.

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    1. If the Philippine Armed Forces wish to deploy large numbers of AIFVs let say to Mindanao, at present the only way that could be done is through three classes of ships of the PN; General Frank S. Besson-class Logistics Support Vessels (LSV) which we have 2, LST-1/542-class which we have 3, and the Tagbanua Class LCU which we have 2. If we use our Lockheed C-130B or H models it could only carry one AIFV considering that the nominal weight of a M-113 is 13 tons. Since cargo capacity of our C-130 models is only 16.5 tons per aircraft. Even if we have the Lockheed C-130Js or Boeing C-17 Globemaster III it will be cost prohibitive.

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    2. Hi BOB, there's a reason why the Philippine Navy ordered 2 brand new Landing Platform Docks from Indonesia.

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  2. Agree it was a good decision instead of buying 14 new ones which will not make a dent. But i hope they increase the number of FSV and convert some with air defense capabilities. What good are all these without air defense.

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    1. The Philippine Army is looking to provide air defense system for their mechanized formations, and may be looking for short range systems. No specifics yet on what type but it would probably MANPADS or MANPADS-derived systems.

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  3. Nice comeback sir max. I check almost everyday for new blogs in this site.
    Anyway, what could you say to the recent contract signing for the ssv any chance of a story? I was also wondering about the ssv. I mean at approx 7000 tons, 120 m long I can't imagine how 600 crew and embarked troops plus well dock and hangar could fit into it. I'm thinking that this ship might be just for transport and will have a limited endurance at sea unlike other lpd's out there, and pt pal considers it as an lpd. And any news about the fa-50? It's like taking forever.

    Thanks for clarifying this news btw about the m113. I did think at first it would be new assets. And I never knew about that planned 14 new apc's before.

    More power and God bless! Missing the fb site btw.

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    1. Hi Paul, thanks for the support. As for the SSV, I'll be making some updates through a separate blog entry. But don't worry, the technical requirements based on the dimensions provided is possible.

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  4. wow. i didnt know that the philippine army has this much main battle tanks. those tanks may be a bit old but they can still pack a punch and may even destroy the newer leopards and abrams in a tank battle. i think our main battle tanks are as reliable as the t-72's.

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    1. The PA doesn't have MBT (main battle tank). These are not tanks but armored personnel carriers. They are different from a tank. Comparing the M113 to a Leopard or Abrams tank is like comparing apples and oranges.

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    2. great compiled article max. this part of the modernization excites me most for the PA. Ive noticed lately on news footages that the Army has been using the m113s lately. I mean there were operations before that were caught on camera, but most i see are wheeled APCs. This was a rare time, at least in my case, to see so many footages of m113s deployed.

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    3. That's not a tank...MBT Primary Job is to Spherehead, break the enemy line, and Kill enemy tanks.
      The IFV's/APC's main job is troop support and troop transport.
      MBT is not about Heavier Tank and Thicker Armor, It's about the ability to do the Primary Job, to "KILL TANK".
      If a Lighter Tank like CV90120T armed with 120mm smoothbore cannon, same type of cannon used by Abram and Leopard tanks, the CV90120T is likely to be consider as MBT.
      Well MBT means "Main (Primary) Battle Tank" Right?

      http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/sweden/cv90120t_01.JPG
      http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/sweden/cv90120t_02.JPG
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/CV90120,_MSPO_2007,_photo_2.JPG

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    4. I think the dude is trolling our new assets (APCs).

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  5. Max Sorry if this is out of Topic, The Senate already approved 246 billion PHP national budget for DND, are they going to try to boost AFP modernization fund? or most of these budget will be used for disaster equipments, SAR helicopters and transport vehicles/aircraft like refurbished C-130? because i think the budget is too much for the Disaster Equipments, i hope they add more fund for AFP modernization..

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    1. There is some misunderstanding regarding the budget allocated to the DND for 2014. But I don't think the PTV-4 report of Php 246 billion is correct. The real budget as signed by Pnoy is only around Php 90 billion. But there are supplementary funding but not really enough to boost to what was reported at Php 246 billion.

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    2. Sir Max, i agree that MANPADS is ideal for the Phil Army but i disagree with the idea that these MANPADS be installed in the M113A2. The M113A2 can easilly be spotted by an enemy aircraft with beyond visual range capabilty. The enemy aircraft will spot and fire missiles on the M113A2 before the M113A2 spots the enemy aircraft. The MANPADS are more effective if carried by soldiers. Let us buy 20,000 MANPADS or Stingers and scatter it all over the Philippines. We must deny the enemy from having air superiority against us.

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  6. This is why the Philippines should have brought the Hawk XXI system for Air defense. http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/hawk_xxi/

    At the same time they could have gotten the MIM-72 Chaparral M163 VADS Anti Aircraft defense.

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    1. Nicky, both the Chaparral and I-Hawk are old systems that are being replaced by the US and most of its allies. What the PA is looking is a newer, smaller and simpler system, and possibly a MANPADS or MANPADS derived which can be installed on some of the armored vehicles (like Singapore's M113A2 Igla combination) or can be carried by mounted infantry, or both. This is separate from the medium range air defense systems being planned.

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    2. Maybe a combination of both Avenger system on a Humvee
      http://blog.al.com/huntsville-times-business/2011/02/avenger.html

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      even the old M-163 Vulcan will do for short range.
      http://www.military-today.com/artillery/m163_vulcan.htm

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    3. I know the Iraqi's are getting the Hawk XXI system. If the Philippines did the same thing, they could have an Intergrated Air defense system
      http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/iraqs-new-integrated-air-defense-system-016046/

      For portable, they can do what Singapore has called the M113A2 Ultra Mechanised Igla using the 9K38 Igla for Mechanized MANPAD

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    4. Nicky, that's what I just said earlier. See 2 posts above.

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  7. I understand that everything is moot at this point, regarding the planned acquisition of 14 tracked vehicles for the MID which, as eloquently explained in this blog entry, has been scrapped in favor of acquiring the more affordable (not to mention numerous) units of M113A2 armored personnel carriers. I was just wondering if you had any idea as to what the specifications were for these 14 tracked vehicles? Thank you and more power!

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    1. It should have been a follow-on order for more ACV-300 from FNSS of Turkey. It's now called ACV-15. Prior to the US deal, the budget was supposed to be used to refurbish and deliver 100 Italian VCC-1 (Italian version of the M113) which did not materialize together with the Maestrale-class frigates.

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  8. wise move, to PA-DND kudos.....now you're on the right track...

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  9. Sir Max, I think this is a more practical decision made by our AFP to aquire a lot of nos. of refurbished M113A2 from the US compared to only a few would have been from Turkish ACV-300. Good job by DND-AFP!

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  10. hindi ba yan matatablan if tinira nang rpg na gamit nang BIFF?

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    1. Tinatablan yan ng RPG. Yung MILF nakadali na dyan gamit ang RPG. Kailangan palagyan yan ng TROPHY anti-missile system from Israel para pangontra sa RPG at ATGM. Sayang lang ang gagastusin sa pagupgrade at paglalagay ng remote weapon system kung hindi naman palalagyan ng pangontra sa RPG. Magiging favorite target yan ng mga kalaban.

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    2. at a cost of 300k dollars or more per Trophy ADS? Lighter versions at less price but still expensive, may end up more expensive than the vehicles those systems are deployed with.

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  11. hi SIr Max, it's nice that you posted a new blog, I always check day by day if you posted a new one.. thanks that you discuss about the real scenario for the acquisition M113A2. unlike what I've read form the news.. it is more clear on what we should expect for the delivery of M113A2. Does the DND planning to buy CUH? and what would be the possible candidates? Thanks

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  12. Hi Max, I thought the PA is being re-organized into brigades like Israel for ease of command and deployment?

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    1. There were earlier plans to reduce the number of division and reorganize into independent brigades. But as leaders come and go, so are the plans. The current and latest plan is to increase the standing army but increasing the size of battalions and brigades. This would reduce the number of divisions but increase the manpower sizes of remaining units.

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  13. sir max armor po ba ung nasa harap at side ng ACV-300??? possible po ba n installan din ng armor kit ung paparating na 114 na M113a2 na APC from US??

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    1. As far as I know, there will be upgrades to be made on the M113's armor as well, although no exact info if it will be included in the deal or will be a separate program.

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  14. Sir max, how about the Air Defense System,any update?

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  15. nice move for our afp, we do not brand new platforms for our armored requirements to our army. we can have more of them if we buy surplus. brand new but few is nothing..

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  16. very good news. finally but the new armored division will also need heavier tanks for urban warfare in case of an invasion. and some wheeled propelled artillery and air defense like SAMs. this assets mentioned will complete an armored division.

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    1. The PA formation is a Mechanized Infantry Division, not Armored Division. There are big differences between the 2. There are plans to equip individual tank companies to each Mech. Inf. Battalions, which will probably require MBT or similar platforms.

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  17. Nice.. I check your blog everyday Sir!.. For the M113 A2 with a Scorpion Turret, Australia has also made that into there M113's.. The M113 MRV,.. and so PA is also looking for air-defense.. Hope it will be like the version of the Swiss.. The M113 ADATS.. Dual purpose Anti-tank and Anti-Aircraft.. Or Singapore's version Armed with Igla missiles.. or Mistral..

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    1. Hi Allen. Australia actually used the turret from the Saladin armored vehicle, which uses a different turret but same gun caliber as the Scorpion. The Singaporean M113-Igla combination is one fine example. Not confirmed though if the PA will be mounting missile systems on vehicles or will be MANPADS.

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    2. Thanks for the info Sir!! Right now we don't have a credible Anti-Aircraft defense.. If the PA and the PhAF would acquire such, I hope it would have a longer range.. Hope they would consider the PATRIOT missile system... But MANPADS is ok for a minimum deterrent weapon..

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  18. max there's an idiot who over edited the "equipment of philippine army" in wikimedia.

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  19. hi sir max. wow that is a good news for afp 114 additional asset. i read your blog this information is undisclosed to public. my question is why? why is secret? and i believe their is a another undisclosed information. this is good or bad for us?

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    1. There were several changes on the plans, so the army might have been more careful to avoid shame as what the navy and air force have experienced in the past.

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    2. Hi Max, so interesting to read your blogs. It gives me a good feeling that the afp is starting to become stronger by the week and month, though not as strong as our neighbors. Great momentum they are having but can it be sustained? What are the conditions needed for the afp/dnd to sustain the momentum beyond Pnoy? Freddie

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  20. This is a welcome news for the PA 1st mechanize division . Acquiring the M113A2 courtesy of the US DSCA grant is a wise decision on the DND and AFP as oppose to the initial news of 28 new AIFV . This batch of 142 refurbished and recondition armored asset will be more than enough for the current division . Although used and old design it is still a work horse for transporting other Allied armies in the world. One of the advantage of the M113A2 is it's tracked as oppose to a wheeled design which is suited for our terrain specially in places where there are no paved roads . The only concerns would be the armored protection for its troops and fire support . I've mentioned in the past blog about what the PA did in up arming with the scorpion turrets on some M113 vehicles. It would be smart for the PA in investing for a better close in fire support platform which is a true bonafide tank. A company size of light to medium size tank would be a good start considering logistic and mobility. At the same token of its AAW protections again base on the M113 platform which is the M163 VADS paired with a PA derivative choice of a MANPAD system . Basing on the current direction of the PA in time it will posses the capability of defending the country against external threat . Max out of topic what are your views and opinion about an Air Cavalry for our special forces ?

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  21. good job for Pnoy too. this modernization seems going in high gear under Pnoy administration when his predecessors neglected it. when he steps down at least 50% of it have been done. hope the new president will continue it and not be an idiot like FVR, GMA and ERAP.

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  22. to be a fully or called mechanized division the unit needs to have MBTs

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    1. We dont need MBT's in a region that is Tropical, see Vietnam won against the US because it cant use MBT's in an Uphill battle against the Vietnamese.. MBT's are in-effective in this region,, What we need is Anti-tank weapons and Anti-aircraft missiles.. A M113 equipped with BGM TOW missile could defeat several tanks...

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    2. Really? well if you look and check the now Vietnamese Army they have an armored division with Russian MBTs called T-72 in fact Vietnam used their MBTs T50s when they invaded Cambodia to oust the Khmer Rhouge. after they won the war against the US. and Cambodia is a tropical country just like the PHL. Mr Libranda, are you a civilian or military. just curious

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    3. Most of the battle US base on hilltop encounter NVA MBT and amphibious tank and overran successfully. They prove themselves they think that MBT cant use on the hilly and forest.

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  23. GOOD DECISION.

    If only the Philippine Air Force will do the same with the thousands of Huey stocks of the U.S. in addition to what they will be getting from private suppliers. They can then do in-country rehab and upgrade within the PAF to strengthen the economy.

    If only the Philippine Navy can do the same with the numerous OPV's of the U.S. Coast Guard soon to be decommissioned. They can then do in-country rehab and upgrade within the PN to strengthen the economy.

    The Philippine Army could have done better with an in-country rehab and upgrade within the PA to strengthen the economy.

    It's time we revive the Self Reliance concept of Marcos to strengthen our defense industry. Instead of 'bili mo ko niyan' globalization/privatization of Arroyo that is more expensive and enhances our dependencies on foreigners. We have to be wiser than our giant competitors, a 1000x more wiser, to survive and secure our own development.

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    1. Agree. Just like how Israel started, driven by the sense of urgency and need to survive. Unfortunately its not our politician's mindset. What may change that is if we construct a bldg for congress in the Spratlys and make them hold office. First to go should be nancy binay.

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  24. We hope the next president 2016 will be supportive of AFP modernization and will continue the plans that was already lay-out and in the pipeline.Otherwise, we will loss more territories and be push around by our neighbors in the regions. So let's us be wiser.........

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    1. To be sure of continuity Pnoy should enact another another modernization law, 125 to 150 billion for the next 3 years. The 75 billion is fully committed in fact we have exceeded it already. If this will not happen we lose the momentum we have gained in the last 2 years. Without that we can't talk much about additional frigates, corvettes, land based missiles, multi role fighters etc and we can kiss our sovereign hold on the West Philippine Sea goodbye.

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    2. Very correct and I agree..��

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    3. You are very correct I agree with you ��

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  25. Hi Max, can you do an article on the coast guard, about their modernization and assets they are about to acquire? Thanks.

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  26. Hi Sir Max! why is it that the PA don't have the standard camouflage scheme painted to their armored vehicle? based on the pictures above and during the Zamboaga siege, they have different styles of camouflage painted on their armored vehicle and it seems they don't blend well it the environment having those darker color painted. for sure the upcoming M113A will have different color/camouflage style.

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  27. 1st stage of the afp capability upgrade program was done during the arroyo administration

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  28. AHON ARMED FORCES OF THE PHILIPPINES

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  29. Re: Namer

    A Namer IFV weighs 60 tonnes, which is way beyond the usual 20 ton bridge capacity of typical bridges here in the Philippines (note, bridge should be in good condition, too). So, for budgetary, logistical as well as operational considerations, Namer IFVs, or any vehicle weighing more than 20 tons, would generally be impractical for AFP to procure.

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  30. Hi Sir Max.. I've already read all the 55 comments above. I notice that PA had form a Mechanized Infantry Division who will take charge the maintenance and handling of all the PA armored vehicles. Dec. last year DND announce their plan to acquire shored based missile system. both Shore-to-Ship Missiles (SSM) and Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAM). It will be under the supervision of the Army. If EVER they will acquire this assets will this be place under the MID? or in the other division?

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    1. In another unit. But the PA may acquire mobile short range systems or Manpads for the MID as a separate project.

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  31. like Army Artillery Regiment? Ok thanks for clarification info... God Bless always

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  32. Hi Sir Max.. Can you share some info. about the process of PA's request for US Army excess stocks. and long long will it take the US DSCA to approve such request.. They already given us 142 M113A2. does PA's can request again for additional M113A2 or even their M60's every year or every other year? or they will tell us hey! thats too much!! abuso n kayo...

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  33. If we have a strong armed forces also we have a strong iconomy #afpmodernisation

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    1. Interesting thought,, let me think about it.....ok I've thought about it, CRAP!

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  34. The Philippines does NOT need an armed forces, China does NOT want the Philippines, it is a shit hole and would take too much money to fix. SO the money the Philippines IS SPENDING on military should first be spent on the people. Something like good roads, decent healthcare, world class medical facilities - not like that crap joint in Manila that calls itself that but is only for the rich and is also highly incompetent. As well as a social welfare scheme that works, decent housing, rooting out the looters within the Government - ask yourself, just HOW much money from ALL the foreign donations has actually filtered THROUGH to rebuild Tacloban??? No the Philippine people are being used up and screwed to provide a military that is not only NOT needed but supplied with obsolete equipment which IF wanting to fight China with ii is a total joke..or do you intend to use it against Malaysia? Hey just WHAT do you intend to do with it? Why not just FIX the country up !

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    1. PSYOPS GAY, YOUR IO LINES WILL NOT WORK IN THIS FORUM.THE MEMBERS HERE ARE WELL INFORMED ABOUT YOUR TTP'S AND DECEPTION. SCRAM!

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  35. i wish they would but BMP-3s its armament is really good (100mm gun and 30mm aouto cannon) plust its good for our terrain

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  36. Sr. Max, Ano na po balita dito?

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  37. Sir max any updates about the 114 EDA M113A2's? Is it still a go? supposedly, the units were supposed to be delivered before the end of 2014?

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  38. Does the m113 have a night vision capability ? How about the machine gun is it computerized?

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  39. Does this project already hit a snag due to US congrss concerns with the AFPs human rights record or is this project is part of gusto pero ayaw project .. Praise release

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  40. Sir Max, are there plans to upgrade the armor capability of the M113A2? Kawawa kasi ang mga sundalong sasakay nito kapag tamaan to ng RPG. The RPG is well known in destroying M113's and i think we already lost some M113's in Mindanao courtesy of the RPG's of the MILF. Paano na kaya kung kaharap na natin ang China who has lots of RPG.

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  41. Another forgotten thread?

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  42. asan ung mga totoong litrATO NG MGA M113 ANG NIKITA KO IISA LANG ALANGANIN PA TANGKE NG PINAS PARANG SA IBANG BANSA PA KIHAAN NG LITRA TO WALA B KYO MAIIPAKITA NG TOTOO

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  43. This is better than nothing brothers. ,. I hope we can have even 5 apaches only

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  44. kahit ilang armor tank yong ibibigay o bibilhin natin sa USA... wala pading itong silbi...hnd nmn ninyo ito kayang bilhan ng manga pesa niya ang gina gawa nga manga mikaniko ninyo kahoy kahoy sa bawat sasakyan paralang makatakbo ang isa...at higit sa lahat hnd manlang maronong mag before..during.... after yong iyong crew....maganda lang tingnan pero bolok nmn....tanker nso..

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